I'll Steal Your Music Like I Stole Your Bike

I was checking out the very comprehensive Essential Elements blog, and they were offering up Ultramagnetic MC's "Critical Beatdown" for download (original and remastered). What ensued in the comments was a debate about downloading music for free vs. for pay. I had to chime in after reading a few things that just didn't sit right with me. Also, I couldn't help but notice that some of the comments in favor of downloading without compensating labels were almost inappropriately passionate, which to me sounds like they know it's not right. What do you think? Here's what went down (for some reason my comment, at the time pf this post, unexpectedly, was the last word):

Essential Elements Ultramagnetic downloading debate

UPDATE: Too bad- the comments were removed. So much for the debate. I thought I contributed a valuable comment based on my experiences in running and supporting an indie record label. We tend to hear artists bitching about labels, but trust me, running a label is no cake walk, on the psyche or the wallet.

How do I feel about people downloading mixshows and mixtapes? Same way I feel about people haveing recorded my radio show for years and years- it's great. Spread it around. None of them were available commercially, except on a very local level. It would be great to have classic mixshows available commercially for download, but it's a licensing/copyright nightmare. It'll never happen.


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jorge_stewart said...

I think most people think artists should be paid.

The middle men are starting to become marginalized like the labels, promoters and the people that position themselves between artists and fans. I'm not sure what will happen with Live Nation but the other labels have to be suffering. I don't even know where you buy music now except Best Buy?

Fans go to clubs and concerts for the music. It's getting a lot easier to remove the person/people in the middle that have a little more legal and financial know how than the everyday man but ultimately wind up f*cking up the musical experience for everyone by overcharging, not paying or generally screwing people over to get their cut.

Some sort of direct to market download model through a reliable source should help... but there is a lot of free music out here. I can't remember the last song I bought.

Chris Stewart

Anonymous said...

Comments disabled, obviously couldn't take the heat...


verge said...

Yeah, they deleted all the comments, Stretch.
My opinion varies. If it's not available to purchase or if it's from a label that you aren't paying the artists, dl'ing is fine.
Also, I download alot of stuff to see if it's good. If it's really dope, I'll buy it. Like the last DOOM. But if it's only aiight, I'm downloading, keeping the decent cuts and recycling the rest. I feel that might help artists know that they got to get their product back up to par if they wanna sell.

Anyways, back when Shook Ones dropped, you played a remix or blend of it that had a smooth bell type of beat. was that your remix? Cause people have been talking about their being a Beatnuts remix and I was just wondering, homepiss.

Stay up, Skinnybones.

serch4beatz said...

oh yes that beatnuts acetate only remix haha.. please to post some audio

thesupremeunknown said...

Sorry about that Stretch. I ended up with someone making a couple of longer comments with arguments directed at myself when it wasn't even me that made the comments. Really frustrating. I'll go back and remove those comments instead and allow updated comments. I really think what you had to say holds a lot of water. I also find it almost ironic considering the amount of illegal activity referred to in hip-hop that it is downloading albums that caused people to draw a line in the sand. That might be an interesting discussion as well.

verge said...

I agree with alot of what you said up there, jorge or Chris Stewart.

The thing is I feel they need to come up with some new kind of model, also. The thing is with mp3s, not many hip hop heads, that I know of, are gonna pay for an mp3.

They gotta come up with something extra to come with it. We, as consumers of music and especially the collector types, love having the physical product. Especially if it's some different kind of packaging. I think certain artists should each have their own type of thing. Like, if you cop the new shit from this guy, you automatically get the mp3 immediately, and in the CD maybe special limited posters or stickers?

I'm just saying something different, something new.
And mothafuckas love to buy when it's on some 'Special limited edition small quantity' type shit.


That's what's up Supreme.

I certainly played my share of music that reflected a an anti-social, destructive, illegal and violent mindset. Is that to say that I condoned these activities? That's a good question, one that I continually had to ask myself during my time on the radio. Of course, we have to distinguish reality from fantasy, and I liked to think that my shows were aired late enough so that only those that were mature enough to know the difference were listening. I always found it kind of vile that Hot 97 would play music that glorified murder, extortion and drug dealing in the daytime, even if words were bleeped or muted (as if kids can't fill in the blanks!). When hip-hop listeners would complain in the 80's that their music would never get airplay, I don't think this was the kind of thing they were hoping for. This may sound funny coming from someone who played a lot of the hardest and most brutal music, and I suppose it was a way for me to be rebellious, but it was also always done in context, with a lot of sarcasm and ridicule We would regularly clown the thuggish attitude on the air, even over records, exclaiming "huh hah" or "urrrragh!", making fun of tough guys, "triple beam kna'mean?" Like I said before, I was always more into beats than rhymes, which is why I tended to gravitate towards the harder stuff- the beats banged.